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[andrei041]

Si'adik in Germania e mai ieftin cu ~25% un E-Class decat un Superb?

[ska]

nu
astea-s preturile de baza cu cutie automata la toate :
Citroen C6 45.500 €
Mercedes E 44.416 €
Skoda Superb 29.190 €
Volvo S80 38.600 €

nu stiu unde e mai ieftin un Superb decat un E...

[andrei041]

Pai eu de ce ziceam ca textul are greseli ...

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there finally Aufsteiger Skoda, which is noticeable in this class particularly by its purchase price. With comfortable automatic gearbox it is appropriate for 38,600, the Mercedes under 30.000 euro, the Volvo price list reported already costs over 44.000, and Citroeen puts the crown courageous to the whole one on with 45.500 euro.

Cam scumpicel C6'le. Poate ca o fi peste E-Class, dar totusi nu are imaginea de marca atat de buna incat sa'si permita sa ceara preturile astea (cel putzin nu in .ro)


Edit: Emotziile astea ... isi spun cuvantul

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by ska
Mercedes E 44.416 €
Skoda Superb 29.190 €

nu stiu unde e mai ieftin un Superb decat un E...

Raspunsul la intrebarea ta ar fi: chiar si in Germania

Aceasta postare a fost editata de andrei041: 13 octombrie 2006 - 06:35

[dany_s]

mi se pare putin ridicol pretul lui C6. Citroen pur i simplu nu e o marca premium, chiar nu inteleg de ce au pus asemenea preturi la C6 chiar daca dotarile sunt similare.

E ca si cum in america Toyota ar pune la Camry V6 SLE pret de E350 doar pt ca amandoua au dotari si motorizari comparabile.

[the1]

C6le e o masina buna, nu contest asta. E cool, e avansat tehnic... dar, e prea scump, chiar si pt ce ofera. Pana la urma, mai ales in clasa premium, tot ceea ce vinde o masina este badge-ul. Iar C6 are tocmai handicapul badge-ului. Si al pretului. Citroen a gresit pozitionand ca pret C6le la acelasi nivel cu E si alte modele premium.

[masterblaster]

E sau S80 for me....adica 1) E 2) S80
C6 nu-mi place in poze (live e ok, dar tot nu ma atrage)....singurul atu pe care il are (parerea mea) este suspensia

[ska]

AUTOS IM TEST

Volvo S80 D5
185 PS/136 kW, Frontantrieb, 0-100 km/h in 8.5 s, 225 km/h Spitze


Audi A6 2.7 TDI
179 PS/132 kW, Frontantrieb, 0-100 km/h in 8.2 s, 225 km/h Spitze


Mercedes E 220 CDI
170 PS/125 kW, Heckantrieb, 0-100 km/h in 9.2 s, 225 km/h Spitze



BUSINESS LINER
One does not regard it to it, but the Volvo S80 is a complete new development. With that 185 HP strong five-cylinder Diesel and six-course mechanism he start against the established German service car class: only laboriously the cast-iron Volvo fans got accustomed the AUDI A6 2,7 TDI Multitronic and the Mercedes E 220 CDI mechanism in the last 15 years to the fact that their favourite cars have front wheel drive. Even the 1998 presented Top Modellreihe of the house, the S80, had propelled front wheels and crosswise sitting engines. That is not with in the spring this yearly the presented successor different. But now the Volvo friends must get accustomed also still to the fact that under the sheet metal made of schwedenstahl a company platform of Ford hides itself, that does also as basis for S-MAX, Galaxy and the new Mondeo service. As much in front: It could have come more badly, because with the Ford underbody is the new S80 as competitive as rarely a Volvo before. The competition is not in this comparison from bad parents: AUDI A6 2,7 TDI and Mercedes E 220 CDI define the point in the class of the fast Business-diesellimou-sinen. Who wants to reuessieren here, must be able to be measured at the place deer.

Volvo sedans have it in this country heavily, Sweden friends drive dear combination. But never the chances were as good as those of the current S80. With just as strong as economical five-cylinder Diesels and its good cost balance he can be able to be seen in the Phalanx of the German Business-limousinen - even if he loses this comparison scarcely to points. For the test winner AUDI speak above all the comfortable chassis, the high quality seeming and the power six cylinder. The Mercedes pleases after the comprehensive Facelift with improved dynamic qualities and low consumption. The result of the engine valuation proves however that a four-cylinder engine is no longer absolutely appropriate in the 40000-Euro-Klasse. In things run culture AUDI and Volvo have to offer to more.

LINK TEST

[Dee]

The Merc or the Lexus....luxury for me

[Maxy]

Dar voi ati stat vreodata intr-un C6 voi ati vazut de ce masina aia e atata de scumpa,in primul rand e singura masina care nu are optionale tot ce vrei e standard nu poti avea piele,scaune incalzite racite cu masaj si reglabile electric head up display si multe alte lucruri al un pret de A klasse.

[Dee]

e o masina de cunoscatori C6...nu toata lumea apreciaza o masina exotica ce poarta mostenirea XM-ului...Ce super masina era si aia la sfarsitul anilor 80 si ce optionale avea ...

[Frank SF]

Audi va oferi pe A6 incepind cu 2007 un nou motor pe benzina, 2.8 FSI, care se va plasa intre 2.4 de 177 CP si 3.2 FSI de 255 CP.
Motorul va avea 210 CP, o valoare nu atit de spectaculoasa in sine, insa interesant este ca valoarea puterii maxime va fi constanta pe plaja de turatii de la 5,500 la 6,800 rpm (!!)

Mai multe detalii aici:
http://www.km77.com/...6/28fsi/t01.asp

chiar era oare nevoie de a dezvolta acest motor in plus ? Nu era mai interesant daca puneau excelentul 2.0 TFSI de 200 CP ?

Aceasta postare a fost editata de Frank SF: 28 octombrie 2006 - 01:18

[LaScurt]

E pentru cei carora nu le place turbo si prefera muzica unor cilindri in V.

[EvilOne]

De fapt nu le place sunetul de L4. V6 asta e din noua generatie cu FSi si Valvelift, puterea constanta pe final ne spune ca este "detunat" intentionat pentru optimizarea emisiilor si a consumului si ca sa nu se "suie" peste 3.2. Probabil in viitor cind 3.2 va ajunge pe la 280cp, va creste si puterea acestui 2.8

[ska]

In 1976, country bard Tom T. Hall summarized the fundamental needs of men advancing into what is politely called middle age. The song was “Faster Horses,” and Hall’s refrain boiled life down to the four essentials of the slightly older guy:

“It’s faster horses,

Younger women,

Older whiskey,

And more money.”

Hard to argue with that list, ain’t it, boys? But what’s the comparo connection? Just this. The contestants in this comparison seem the equivalent of the faster horses in Hall’s hedonistic lament. In this context, we’re talking faster than the rest of the herd, or at least most of it. The guys who pop for rides such as these aren’t necessarily interested in going faster down twisty lanes less traveled. The occasional joyous stab at the throttle, sure. The carefree draw on deep power reserves when some mouth breather just will not give up the left lane.

Beyond that, it’s the mere possession of a device that’s capable of pinning everyone against the seatbacks. High lateral g and brisk transient response are all very well, but what really matters is a herd of thoroughbred ponies — faster ponies — under the hood of an upscale sedan that looks like an upscale sedan. But not too upscale. None of that Benz S-class or BMW 7-series stuff, rides that make the stockholders nervous. We don’t want ostentation here, y’all. Just a little hedonism — with enough juice under that right-foot faucet to make it interesting.

We found four horses that seem to answer this set of needs very well. They’re not sports sedans in the sense of the real tigers in this size class: the BMW M5, the Mercedes E63 AMG. But when you get into the $50K region, you know they’re far from ordinary. And three of them really are faster.

The BMW 550i, for example, got a new and more potent 4.8-liter V-8 for 2006. Shared with the 7-series sedan, it replaced the previously employed 4.4-liter in the 545i and bumps output from 325 horsepower and 330 pound-feet of torque to 360 in each power commodity (although the change hasn’t altered the arcane logic of BMW’s still-mystifying model designations).

The Mercedes E550 also enjoys a substantial power gain over its predecessor, the E500. Most of the ’07 updates to this bread-and-butter Benz family are understated, but there’s nothing subtle about the robust output of the E550’s new 5.5-liter V-8, which whomps up 382 horsepower and 391 pound-feet of torque, compared with 302 and 339 for the previous engine. And there’s a seven-speed automatic to make the most of the big power increase.

In contrast to its Germanic competitors, the Lexus GS450h is a faster horse of a different techno color, one that’s unique in this class and wasn’t even on the radar screen when Tom T. created his list of must-haves for life beyond 40-something. The little “h” stands for hybrid, an engineering realm where Lexus’s parent, Toyota, has scored big points with the green-minded, far and wide. Powered by a 3.5-liter gasoline V-6 with assist from a pair of DC electric motors, the 450h plays to the environmental nags and, at the same time, opens up new horizons in performance. Lexus presents this car as a sport model, and the basic theme is road burning with a clear conscience.

Although all the faces here are familiar, the only one that’s a real rerun is the Infiniti M45. As faster horses go, it’s essentially the same steed we tested in a May 2005 comparison [“Spoilsport Sedans”] that involved variants of all the cars assembled here, as well as four others. You might wonder why the M45 made the cut for this smaller field when it’s no faster or newer than our 2005 test car. Here’s the answer: The M45 emerged at the top of the charts in that ’05 showdown, and it returns to defend its title against even tougher competition.

Once our elite little herd was rounded up, we piled in and headed for the green hills of southeast Ohio. With daytime temperatures and humidity cooking near the 100 mark, we rode ’em hard. When we got back to Rancho Hogback and tallied up the score cards, there were some surprises, including a near photo finish. Also, pursuant to Mr. Hall’s advice concerning faster horses, we discovered one big truth: None of these cars will stem the advance of middle age. But any one of them will make the going a lot more pleasurable, some more than others. Which is which? Read on. As for the younger women, etc., we leave those to you.


4)
Lexus GS450h
Highs: Uptown interior, user-friendly secondary controls, delivers on performance-hybrid promise.
Lows: Numb steering, endless cycling of CVT, asthmatic powertrain sounds.
The Verdict: Engineering that's easy to appreciate in a car that's hard to love.

3)
Mercedes-Benz E550
Highs: Megawatt muscle, understated good looks, seven-speed automatic.
Lows: Flaccid handling responses, noisy HVAC system, seven-speed automatic's arrogant manual mode.
The Verdict: A superb cross-country ride, but hold the decreasing radii.

2)
BMW 550i
Highs: Unerring dynamics, seductively smooth power, superb seats.
Lows: Exasperating iDrive, skimpy small-object stowage, clutch-your-heart price.
The Verdict: A flawless driving machine diminished by pricey options and an infernal device.

1)
Infiniti M45 Sport
Highs: Playful spirit, sports-car steering, excellent chassis, lots of room, best buy of the bunch.
Lows: Cheesy alumalook plastic dashboard trim, lane-departure warning system.
The Verdict: Even without the price advantage, a top-notch, no-excuses player in the luxo-sports-sedan game.

[mariuscr]

EvilOne, la Sep 27 2004, 08:01 AM, a spus:

Probabil se refera la x35d de 270cp. Insa in testul asta, puterea litrica nu prea se vede in performante, E320 cu cea mai mica putere are performante mai bune ca A6. Ca sa nu mai zic ca A6 are cel mai mic cuplu (sensibil) desi are 2 turbine.

cuplul de 450 NM este constant intre 1400 si 3250 ture.
celelalte , au un cuplu mai ridicat dar pe o plaja de turatii mult mai mica sau doar tangential.

audi a sacrificat valoarea mare a cuplului pe o constanta a lui.

eu cred ca au procedat bine.


de ex pt q7, audi au umblat la 3.0tdi si au marit cuplul la 500Nm, dar acest lucru a sacrificat plaja de turatii pe care este constant acel cuplu. adica intre 1750 si 2750 ture.

performantele dinamice ale lui a6 sunt distruse de masa exagerata a masinii adica 1765 kg. nu stiu de unde ati luat voi peste 1900 kg

[Spining]

Schimbat numele topicului in VERSUS MARE CLASA MARE - merci MikeTek!

[Maxy]

Clasa mare sport in revista Car And Driver,S6 E63AMG si M5.
Concluziile pe scurt: "But as noted earlier, the Benz’s eager throttle response — most of the torque is available by 2000 rpm — made it a superb ally on byways such as California Highway One. If it wasn’t quite as unflappable as the S6, it was certainly more willing and able to hurry through twisty sections than any other AMG car in our experience. Which was just enough to carry the day."

1.E63
2.S6
3.M5

Link

Aceasta postare a fost editata de Maxy: 29 ianuarie 2007 - 10:55

[masterblaster]

interesant testul....avand o cilindree mai mare era de asteptat ca E-ul sa stea mai bine la cuplu
in testele germane M5 iese castigator la motor tren de rulare si transmisie, cu alte cuvinte castiga la capitolul sportivitate, dar pierde la confort in fata E-ului....in unele teste Merc-ul iesind castigator.....S6 se incadreaza intre cele doua, asa cum reiese si din testul asta

[Maxy]

Nu prea iese M5-ul atat de castigator la transmisie,e foarte problematica,jerky la greu,multe setari...nu prea este o transmisie care sa fie folosita si ca everyday use si sa fie sportiva de aceea am inteles ca pe noul M3 vor renunta la cutia secventiala gen SMG si vin cu o cutie noua cu dublu ambreiaj gen DSG.
M5-ul era interesant sa fie testat cu o cutie manuala.

Aceasta postare a fost editata de Maxy: 29 ianuarie 2007 - 11:04

[masterblaster]

de acord...chiar nu am vazut nici un test cu M5 cu MT....DSG sounds very good. SMG-ul schimba repede, intr'adevar e cam jerky si ce e enervant la bmw are nspe moduri (a se citi 11 ) chiar nu inteleg de ce au complicat atat
in alta ordine de idei....daca S6 iese intre E63 si M5 oare RS6 va fi mai bun ca cele 2?
OT: uite ma max ca a facut si VAG ceva bun...DSG-ul ...cand am vazut testul ala de la BMI am ramas

[Maxy]

Este oricum o competitie foarte stransa,eu nu stiu de ce insa la Merc preferam vechiul motor 5,5 kompresor.

[ska]

nu stiu de ce da 6,3 v8 aspirat imi suna mai bine ce 5,5 cu kmpressor
prefer aspiratul. mi se pare un motor exceptional. nu rupe nici o norma prin nimic, dar... parerea mea.

eu as lua S6-le, tocmai ca e la mijloc... ofera "de toate"

[CrisArkgoth]

eu as astepta pana la RS6

[EvilOne]

M5 testat acolo avea cutie manuala cu 6 viteze cica luata de la vechiul model. De asta se pare ca a esuat asa lamentabil. Bine ca au imbunatatit-o http://www.garajul.r...tyle_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif

[Maxy]

Se pare ca i-am cam subestimat pe baietii de la AMG care au facut o treaba buna cu acest nou motor de 6.3 litri,iata un alt test comparativ din revista Automobilemag:


"What makes the E63 so special is the blend of its abilities. For a start, it's a particularly emotional machine-mean-looking, acoustically overwhelming, and very fast, yet it can be either velvety smooth or bondage brutal, whichever you wish. True, the stability-control warning light may flash in the wet at 125 mph, but you won't feel more than a tug or a kick, and then it's full urge again all the way to the 7200-rpm redline. Unlike the supercharged E55, which was so pumped up with hormones it could hardly accelerate in a straight line, the follow-up model is a lot more relaxed, more sure-footed, and quite a bit quicker. By a wafer-thin margin, the Benz has the most compelling engine. It wins the torque trophy and the acceleration medal, it sounds awesome, it's mated to a transmission that confines itself to only three shift programs, and its relentless push extends into the triple-digit speed zone. What this car needs to move even closer to perfection are brakes with extra staying power and steering that can do more than change direction.

Even under pressure, the nose of the E63 finds it easy to stay close to the apex. As a result, the driver is more inclined to light up the rear tires in crowd-stopping fashion. The trouble is that you can slide the Benz only with stability control off, so there is no intermediate safety net such as M Dynamic Mode in the M5 or traction control off in the S6. Unlike the BMW, which feels a little twitchy as it nears the limit of adhesion, the AMG hugs the tarmac. There is also less lift-off weight transfer, less acceleration squat, and less brake dive, and, despite the subdued body movements, you always know where you are on the speed and g-force map.

At an expected $85,000, the Benz digs deepest into the budget, but it is worth every penny--against the stopwatch and in smiles-per-miles currency. It wins on merit and appeal, even though it surpasses the S6 only by a whisker."

Articol complet: http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews/sedan...dans/index.html

Aceasta postare a fost editata de Maxy: 02 februarie 2007 - 12:56