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#1 ska

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Scris 08 septembrie 2006 - 10:27

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Dear Bugatti owners do not frighten: 260 km/h point is sometimes actually more important than speed 400. While of the Veyron Top Speed Record only a handful super+enrich something has, also the common people profits from the zivileren value. With the affordable Vectra OPC OPEL average wage-earners grants immediately the chance, beyond the annoying, all-side spread 250-km/h-Beschraenkung too wildern. Logically we are tried, which Vectra OPC kueren in the context of our comparison test to the premature winner of the hearts. However, because it whistles on the prevailing Political Correctness. Completely contrary to the other three, which it is missing obviously at Mumm or performance, in order to attack against the conventions: the 330i runs limited 250 km/h, the trade wind speed 246. Mazda regulates in hurrying ahead obedience even with 240 km/h off.

Maximum speed is not natural everything - it applies to score also in other disciplines: With the view check the Vectra sits down likewise to the point. OPEL opel-Tuner scratch themselves at the sight of the OPC shift at the head and see themselves condemned to the inactivity. The Ruesselsheimer trichtert the world by spoilers, wheels and exhaust: I am a Topathlet. VOLKSWAGEN and BMWS do not even try to keep up, but set on verschuechtertes Understatement. Only the Mazda lays on somewhat more thickly, disqualifiziert themselves however by its embarrassing final tubing prostheses. Does it try to overact by the fact that it has motor the smallest one?

Mazda shows wie's goes: Already on public roads the Japanese works pleasantly leichtfuessig and nevertheless sufficiently comfortably. Only disturb with high speed substantial wind noises at the side windows. On the racing course the steering element with sufficiently feedback becomes positively apparent. Also the short translation proves here as practicable. The ESP regulates sensitively. Who switches it off, an easily schwaenzelndes tail must take into account only with changes of load. BMW sets ungeruehrt one drauf. The 3er relatively easy with 1,55 tons leaves an exemplary round impression and proves all Unkenrufen to the defiance: In things driving dynamics is and remains rear-wheel drive the measure of all things. One marks to the vehicle to each second that those build Bavaria since more jeher sporty sedans.

Mad chassis: The 330i remains for a long time neutral and gives in perfectly. The interaction of clutch and transmission functioned protruding, the courses flutschen butter-softly by the quadrant, the steering element shines with excellent feedback. Refrained from wooden unreeling of the Runflat tyre, also the comfort of the genious tunes residents of Munich. The giving in behavior is of the finest one, for serious overriding must one the long remaining neutral 3er force. In the curve exit the pilot in the perfectly balanced BMW may do one ticks in former times on the gas as with the others.

The accurate pressure point of the 3er-Bremse pleases, their standvermoegen lacking less: After few rounds a flare points anxiously to overloading. The locking question remains: How does the so self-confidently arising OPEL in the driving dynamics valuation strike itself? Surprisingly badly. The driver enjoys about the sturdy brake and about the possibility of deactivating ESP as completely with the other three. War's however already at pluses, the remainder leaves to be desired: With switched off driving assistance the Vectra OPC substantial under-steers. The impetuous fronttriebler does not even get its strength ansatzweise on the soil. The entrueckt digital steering element had too few resetting forces and lends a play console character to each route with the OPEL. Also with pressed sport key the zappelige handling really does not improve, the Curbs should the pilot avoid like the devil the Weihwasser. A view into the price lists manifests the conclusion-finite Ranking: The BMW remains despite its horrenden surcharge organization the number one - it sets off too clearly in nearly all other disciplines from the competitors. The Mazda lands by its Dumpingpreis at the second place - although it uses at most. OPEL lands before VOLKSWAGEN on rank three - despite extra bonuses: The sympathetic Ruesselsheimer done beside the 250-km/h-Abriegelung also without the nerve-killing belt bleeper - and lies thereby at least in the anarchy valuation in front impossible to catch up. That is nevertheless which.

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Scris 08 septembrie 2006 - 10:36

Traducerea e criminala :)
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Scris 08 septembrie 2006 - 02:10

da, ska le are :D

cine a castigat?
tu nebuno tu, zapacito, te sparg, te-ndoi ... m-am sucit ... si tot sugi si tot bagi si tot sugi ... daca nu e tare, cred ca o frec degeaba ... de meserie sunt frumoasa. si sunt modesta, dar vreau sa se stie.
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Scris 08 septembrie 2006 - 03:59

De fapt este un comparativ intre masinile din clasa medie echipate sport.

Clasamentul nu e facut de autobild ci de cititori pe baza de sondaj (nota maxima e 6):

Design:
VW Passat 3.2 FSI (3,8)
Mazda 6 MPS (3,3)
Opel Vectra OPC (2,8)
BMW 330i (2,6)

Raport pret/calitate:
VW Passat 3.2 FSI (3,9)
BMW 330i (3,5)
Mazda 6 MPS (2,8)
Opel Vectra OPC (2,6)

Ai cumpara asa ceva?:
VW Passat 3.2 FSI (4,2)
Mazda 6 MPS (3,7)
Opel Vectra OPC (3,1)
BMW 330i (3,0)


De ce am io impresia ca au votat multi romani? :blink:
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Scris 08 septembrie 2006 - 06:08

:blink:
romanii ar fi votat daca era passat TDI :P

sincer cea mai tare rap over-all mi se pare mazda.
da tot 3-er mi-as lua :P
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Scris 08 septembrie 2006 - 09:15

ha ha ha
buna...
ska, te bagi la news la E-ZINE?
Daca te trezesti dimineata si nu vezi soarele... trage draperia!

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Scris 08 septembrie 2006 - 09:18

pt ca mi se pare ca e 4motion passatul. desigur exista si xi, dar te rupe la buzunar.

you can't beat that. o masina trebuie sa fie tot mai mult buna la toate, o tractiune integrala, fie si de genul celei oferite de vw atarna greu. made me buy the damn thing anyway. s-a cam dus vremea masinilor care sa ofere numai adrenalina.
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Scris 10 septembrie 2006 - 12:56

Seria 3 all the way. E o referinta dupa parerea mea.

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Scris 10 septembrie 2006 - 10:30

era, acum cred ca e mai mult imagine si daca ai bani poate nu conteaza.

pacat ca honda si subaru nu au avut nici un candidat.
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Scris 10 septembrie 2006 - 12:15

Inca este stai tu linistit.

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Scris 10 septembrie 2006 - 01:40

Mie, ca si combinatie de aspect+performante Mazda mi se pare cea mai tare.
Beemer-ul are o tehnica buna dar e penalizat tare la capitolul aspect.
Passat-ul si Vectra mie personal, nu imi inspira nimic.

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Scris 10 septembrie 2006 - 03:04

si eu tot mazda 6 as alege, e superba si se lipeste de drum
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Scris 10 septembrie 2006 - 03:45

Dupa parerea mea, tot 330i as alege. Passat-ul 3.2 FSI arata la fel ca cel cu 1.9TDI sub capota si in anumite momente mi se pare sters. Pentru Vectra OPC am o retinere, mai bine zis pentru calitatea Opel am o retinere dar nu asta discutam acum :)
Din pacate nu am vazut live o Mazda 6 MPS, Masterblaster sa inteleg ca tu deja ai mers cu una? :D ca sa pot spune ceva cat de cat coerent despre ea. Marele plus e ca nu are motor de Ford(nu ca n-ar fi bune) ci are motor dezvoltat de Mazda!

Ce nu inteleg este ca au comparat(iar!) motoare turbo cu aspirate normal si Mazda 6 MPS este AWD pe cand restul nu prea sunt, se poate dar nu si in testul asta ;)

PS: vazut 330xi, negru, superb, viitoare masina cu nr WST si asta a inclinat mult balanta :)
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Scris 10 septembrie 2006 - 03:51

Pentru cineva care este interesat de un sedan sportiv Bmw-ul sau Mazda este alegerea,desigur eu daca ar trebui sa aleg,as mai astepta pana apare 159 GTA.

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Scris 10 septembrie 2006 - 04:25

@mike vorbesc din teste normal :(
vectra opc nu as lua nu pentru ca e opel....au facut mari progrese...ci pentru ca subvireaza excesiv
@maxy uitasem de ea :P
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Scris 10 septembrie 2006 - 05:31

Hai sa fim seriosi ... ca nusht daca mai mult de 20% din cei care si'ar cumpara vreuna din masinile astea ar ajunge in situatii in care sa observe clar ce fel de comportament au (understeer/oversteer).
Am vazut si eu in testul de la Top Gear ca Opel'ul iesea primul la liniutza, dar ca in curbe era cam varza, dar pe sosele nu cred ca se ating prea des limitele alea
Asa ca pana la urma tot numele va vinde in general masina. Eu unul as opta ceva de genul: 1. BMW 2. Mazda 3. VW 4. Opel
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Scris 10 septembrie 2006 - 05:46

sunt de acord cu clasamentul lui andrei . in ordinea asta as cam alege si eu.
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Scris 10 septembrie 2006 - 05:52

la cum vorbiti voi, banii nu ar fi o problema, atunci as merge pe 1. subaru/ 2. audi/ 3. bmw-mercedes.

din nefericire vw are acum imaginea pe care o avea volvo intr-o vreme, parca nu mai gadila pe nimeni, in rest 250 cp ala 4motion merge de rupe si sta bine de tot in curbe, dar cum spuneam, imaginea vinde, pe de o parte, iar pe de alta nici nu are pretentia unui bmw, nici pretul, costuri intretinere etc.
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Scris 10 septembrie 2006 - 10:45

Acum serios.....chiar ati lua Mazda in loc de BMW 330i???

Acum testul e si un pic fortat, BMW-ul e o masina premium, pe cand restul sunt prin clasa medie niste actori de seama.

Mie 330i-ul mi se pare din alt film in acest test, cred ca cine ma contrazice nu iubeste BMW-ul si e cat se poate de subiectiv. De acord ca diferentele sunt minore, dar 330i are alti rivali.

Subscriu Passatul e un pic subestimat, masina rupe pamantul sub ea si e perfect finisata.

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Scris 10 septembrie 2006 - 10:51

Eu unul nu am condus nici una dintre masinile de mai sus ... insa am pus Mazda in fatza VW pentru faptul ca e mai exclusivista ... altfel ar fi cam la egalitate ptr locurile 2-3. De la Opel nu m'ar tenta cu adevarat decat Speedster'ul :P
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Scris 10 septembrie 2006 - 10:54

pentru performante as lua 3er (fiind si fan BMW)
dar ca design mazda 6 e peste
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Scris 14 septembrie 2006 - 10:47

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Peugeot 407 2,2 HDi - 170cp - 370nm
Toyota Avensis 2,2 D-4D - 177cp - 400nm
Volvo S60 2,4 D5 - 185cp - 400nm
Volkswagen Passat 2,0 TDI - 170cp - 350nm

Diesel duel on high HP level

Savings, that is the domain of the strong Diesel Sedans of VOLKSWAGEN, Volvo, Peugeot and Toyota kept in track. Which is the best?

In former times they were called Familienkut. Today Papis dear Van, combination or SUV drive, so that four-door notchback sedans got meanwhile a still zweifelhafteren call: that of the old gentleman cars. All rubbish! Particularly if under the hood a strong Diesel works, which disproves the conventional senior prejudice particularly with fast autobahn trip. But hello: Even six cylinder and sports cars can hardly depend the strong Diesel middle class on Peugeot, Toyota, Volvo and Volkswagens. But they have too much steam and are exactly what Understatement fans love: (grey) wolves in the sheep fur. Recent entrance in the club of the strong self fuzes below the six cylinder league is the Peugeot 407 HDi. its Clou: a double turbo, which holds for the first time in a four-cylinder Diesel introduction. Already with 1500/min a small saving turbine help the 2,2-Liter-Motor to 370 Newtonmeters, with 2600 routes connects the larger turbo and holds the engine on the high torque plateau. In practice the register loading causes an achievement development unusually harmonious for turbo-Diesels. Run culture and force reserves work as with a capacity-stronger model. The 407 HDi rolls switchingputridly and calmly there.

Of zero on 100 in nine seconds and speed 220 - at least: The good notchback models accumulate astonishing form. With the strongest in each case four-cylinder turbo-Diesel under the hood and particle filters they are excellent travel sedans for many drivers. Their district is the motorway. Only the doubly loaded Peugeot engine supplies sufficient strength under 2000/min, in order to slide switchingputridly by the city. Nevertheless it becomes only third. I hear the anti-wolf castle parliamentary group protest: again a VOLKSWAGEN in front. But the trade wind offers simply the best total package. Lowest consumption, nevertheless best road performances, largest available space - against these convincing arguments the competition is powerless.

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Scris 15 septembrie 2006 - 12:25

UPS la Volvo se vede deja varsta, e momentul unei schimbari, probabil intr-un an sau doi.

Acest rezultat imi vine sa-mi comfirme anumite banuieli, noul Passat e o masina excelenta. Cred ca va trage toata clasa dupa el.

Sunt convins ca toti de aici, sau aproape toti cititi Carandriver, astept testul cu noul Infiniti G35 vs BMW 335Ti.

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Scris 15 septembrie 2006 - 06:27

Vezi postareaska, la Sep 14 2006, 10:47 AM, a spus:

I hear the anti-wolf castle parliamentary group protest: again a VOLKSWAGEN in front. But the trade wind offers simply the best total package. Lowest consumption, nevertheless best road performances, largest available space - against these convincing arguments the competition is powerless.
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Yeah, am mai citit magazinul asta de doi bani care altceva nu stie decat sa laude VW si sa arunce cu noroi in celelalte. Intr-un articol deosebit de amplu criticau Avensis D-CAT ca dupa 100k km a inceput sa scoata fum negru, semn ca nu mergea catalizatorul bine...

Acum, nu ca din cele comparate Passat-ul nu ar avea cel mai bun tren de rulare si cel mai bun interior (cred) dar prea des se intampla sa castige doar germanele la ei...

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Scris 15 septembrie 2006 - 09:25

Citeaza

, astept testul cu noul Infiniti G35 vs BMW 335Ti.


Exista, exista. DA nu e cu 335ci cu 330, in a carui clasa de pret se incadreaza (citeva mii in minus totusi). Masinile ies foarte apropiat. Uite aici:

http://www.caranddriver.com/roadtests/1159...-6mt-sedan.html

335 e alta liga la preturi, muult mai scump. Si se aude ca dau rateuri.
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